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1. HR 192, Civilian Agent Orange Act of 2007 (Introduced in House) From: Colonel Dan 2. FW: 25th Anniversary of "The Wall", Nov 10, 2007 From: Colonel Dan
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1. HR 192, Civilian Agent Orange Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)

Posted by: "Colonel Dan" colonel-dan@sbcglobal.net coloneldan1

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:32 am (PST)

This bill looks better than what most veterans got... weren't we employees
of the fed Govt?
http://thomas. loc.gov/

H.R.972
Title: To provide compensation to individuals who, during the Vietnam
conflict, were employees of the Federal Government or contractor employees
of the Department of Defense and suffered disability or death from exposure
to Agent Orange.
Sponsor:
<http://thomas. loc.gov/cgi- bin/bdquery/ ?&Db=d110& querybd=@ FIELD(FLD003+@4(( @
1(Rep+Wexler+ +Robert)) +01537))> Rep Wexler, Robert [FL-19] (introduced
2/8/2007) <http://thomas. loc.gov/cgi- bin/bdquery/ z?d110:HR00972: @@@P>
Cosponsors (11)

web site reprinted below
<http://www.2ndbatta lion94thartiller y.com/Chas/ civilianaobill. htm>
http://www.2ndbatta lion94thartiller y.com/Chas/ civilianaobill. htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Helene [ <mailto:wvets@westnet. com> mailto:wvets@westnet. com]
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:50 AM
To: ColonelDan
Subject: [Fwd: Civilian AO Bill

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From: Sp5kelley2nd94th@ aol.com [mailto:Sp5kelley2nd94th@ aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 8:09 AM
To: undisclosed- recipients:
Subject: Civilian AO Bill

Civilian AO Bill
To: AO Committee and sponsors of the HR 192
I disagree on not a slap in the face or diminishment of service but then I
do not like being lied to by our government.
<http://www.2ndbatta lion94thartiller y.com/Chas/ civilianaobill. htm>
http://www.2ndbatta lion94thartiller y.com/Chas/ civilianaobill. htm
To me this bill is nothing but a damn congressional slap in the face to
Veterans, their widows, and their damaged children.

Their damaged children are no better than the Veteran who made $87.00 a
month while those civilians chose to go to that area and make a ton of
money. Especially the contractor folks. Their surviving spouses are no
better than our Veterans spouses. Kelley

Civilian Agent Orange Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)
HR 972 IH, 110th CONGRESS, 1st Session


Veterans, dead or alive, as well as their families are dimensioned by such a
civilian Agent Orange bill as it is now and only proves more evidence of the
government's thoughts that Veterans are nothing but damn chopped liver. This
civilian bill gives them everything we have asked for and our congress has
never even addressed our issues, or the media, or did the civilian
population stand on our side and demanded answers.

Sec 2. Definitions:

If you look at the Veterans VA rules in USC 38 our rules association must be
proven to a p-value of 0.05 to, 2,3,7,8-tetrachloro dibenzo-p- dioxin (TCDD,
or dioxin).

Civilian rules are all of sudden - The term `Agent Orange illness' means an
illness listed by the National Institute of Medicine as having at least a
limited or suggestive association with 2,4-dichlorophenoxy acetic acid
(2,4-D), 1,4,5-trichlorophen oxyacetic acid (2,4,5-T),
4-amino-3,5, 6-trichloropicol inic acid (picloram), and cacodylic acid
(dimenthylarsenic acid, DMA), and 2,3,7,8-tetrachloro dibenzo-p- dioxin (TCDD,
or dioxin). Some of which are not even dioxin isomers.

SEC. 3. COMPENSATION PROGRAM.

(a) In General- There is hereby established a program to be known as the
`Agent Orange Illness Compensation Program' (in this Act referred to as the
'compensation program'), to be carried out by the Attorney General.

(b) Purpose- The purpose of the compensation program is to provide for
timely, uniform, and adequate compensation of exposed employees and, where
applicable, survivors of such employees, suffering from Agent Orange
illnesses incurred by such employees.

Going to be carried out by an agency that might actually have some integrity
within and non-adversarial instead of the agency Veterans have that has very
little integrity and is lawless in many areas; because they are above the
law.

Provide timely, uniform, and adequate compensations? ??? - When has congress
gave a damn about how timely or uniform compensations to the soldier or the
family is awarded to the soldier? Define timely? For Vets it seems timely
is at least five years stalling. Enough time for one Vet to die and then
replaced by another depending on the budget. Those Veterans that died
in-between get jack shit. Unlike this Civilian bill that is going to go
retroactive even to the children if both parents are deceased. Our guys get
a big Old thank you for allowing the US government to kill them or their
children.

SEC. 4. COMPENSATION FUND.

(a) Establishment- There is hereby established on the books of the Treasury
a fund to be known as the `Agent Orange Illness Compensation Fund' (in this
Act referred to as the `compensation fund').
(b) Amounts- The compensation fund shall consist of the following amounts:
(1) Amounts appropriated to the compensation fund pursuant to an
authorization of appropriations.
(2) Amounts transferred to the compensation fund.
(c) Financing- Upon the exhaustion of amounts in the compensation fund, the
Secretary of the Treasury shall transfer directly to the compensation fund
from the General Fund of the Treasury, without further appropriation, such
amounts as are further necessary to carry out the compensation.

What? The congress is just going to let the fund manager transfer money in
from the Treasury with no yearly budget control, no votes, no nothing!

SEC. 5. COMPENSATION TO BE PROVIDED.

(a) In General- An exposed employee, or the eligible survivor of that
employee if the employee is deceased, shall receive compensation for the
injury, illness, or death of that employee from that employee's Agent Orange
illness in an amount determined under subsection (b).

(b) Amount- For each exposed employee, the Attorney General shall provide
compensation in the amount of $100,000.

Christ our guys that died while our government pissed around in collusion
and collaboration stalling for three decades before the first mortality
disorder was finally begrudgingly admitted. There were no retroactivity
clauses in their deaths.

(c) Payments in the Case of Deceased Persons-

(1) SURVIVORS ELIGIBLE- In the case of an exposed employee who is deceased
at the time of payment of compensation under this section, whether or not
the death is the result of the employee's Agent Orange illness, such payment
may be made only as follows:

(A) If the employee is survived by a spouse who is living at the time of
payment, such payment shall be made to such surviving spouse.
(B) If there is no surviving spouse described in subparagraph (A), such
payment shall be made in equal shares to all children of the employee who--
(i) had not yet attained the age of 18 when the employee died or was
permanently or totally disabled before the age of 18; and
(ii) are living at the time of payment.
(2) CLAIMS- If an employee eligible for payment dies before filing a claim
under this Act, a survivor of that employee who may receive payment under
paragraph (1) may file a claim for such payment.
(3) DEFINITIONS- For purposes of this subsection--
(A) the `spouse' of an individual is a wife or husband of that individual
who was married to that individual for at least one year immediately before
the death of that individual; and
(B) a `child' includes a recognized natural child, a stepchild who lived
with an individual in a regular parent-child relationship, and an adopted
child.
(d) Children With Spina Bifida- In any case in which a child of an exposed
employee is born with spina bifida by reason of that employee's exposure to
Agent Orange, that child shall directly receive compensation in an amount
determined under subsection (b).

To what level of spina bifida - Christ our guys fight the VA for their kids
and VA just ignores it because of severity and now Congress is going to give
100,000 dollars to each civilian exposed with born with spina bifida
regardless. What kind of crap is that? For Veterans it must be the level
of spina bifida to some disability and now for civilians "a birth defect is
a birth defect" and here is your money!

Now what about female exposed civilians? Are they going to be covered for
the additional issues VA compensates for that which is the exact same thing
found in the Ranch Hand for paternal damages? If so how much?

As far as additive for more folks involved, I really do not see an impact
here. The estimate of Veterans exposed is right at 4.2 million and we could
not get anything done. Adding a few more with special congressional
privileges is not going to matter much.

As far as funding for more testing, I am confident the data is already there
to award compensations in many issues based on "significant correlation" or
"increased risk of incidence" we have been saying. Then being denied by VA
and IOM based on what we clearly know now was a botched Ranch Hand study in
the statistics and flawed cohort assumptions. VA studies did the same thing
in flawed cohort assumptions.

The only testing I see that might possibly be needed, before we are all
dead, is the DNA issue of permanent or semi-permanent genetic damages. I
believe the Kiwis have a good start on that regarding genetic DNA damages
and the creation of hereditary defects the family lineage did not have prior
to exposures.

This Bill is nothing but a total slap in the face of all Vietnam Veterans,
alive or dead.

Kelley

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2. FW: 25th Anniversary of "The Wall", Nov 10, 2007

Posted by: "Colonel Dan" colonel-dan@sbcglobal.net coloneldan1

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:13 pm (PST)

put on your web sites or e-newsletters and send people to this link
<http://vva.org/ 25thEvent/ event_info. htm>
http://vva.org/ 25thEvent/ event_info. htm

the purpose of the 2007 Vietnam Veteran Memorial 25th Anniversary Parade is
to recognize military service,
not to endorse or support any political agenda, and that any individual or
group that attempts to use the
Parade as a forum for this purpose will be denied participation, and will
forfeit any expenses incurred.

SCHEDULE:
NOVEMBER 10, 2007

The Opening Ceremony on the Mall
10:00 a.m. until 11:00 a.m

The opening ceremony will start at 10:00 a.m. and will take place on the
Mall at 3rd Street, between Jefferson and Madison Drives.

The Parade
11:00 a.m. until 4:00 p.m.

Immediately following the opening ceremony, the parade with thousands of
participants, military vehicles, floats, veteran motorcyclists, and marching
bands steps off. Along side the reviewing stand will be limited bleacher
seating for those veterans and members of the general public who wish to
view the parade.

Washington Monument Grounds
12 noon until 6:00 p.m.

Parade participants and the general public can enjoy a variety of activities
and street vendors

If you have a group, or as an individual are interested in joining the
parade, then you must fill out an application form. To download a PDF form,
please <http://vva.org/ 25thEvent/ Parade_App. pdf> click here

<http://vva.org/ 25thEvent/ Parade_App. pdf>
http://vva.org/ 25thEvent/ Parade_App. pdf or call toll free,
1-800-VVA-1316 x151

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From: Robert E. McNulty, Sr. [mailto:remcnultysr@ yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:00 PM
To: ColonelDan;
Subject: 25th Anniversary of "The Wall"

Forwarding this on to the VVA Press Club members
Jim W Boyd
VVA Press Club Editor-in-chief

All,
Back in '82 many VVA members spent 4 days in DC celebrating the dedication
of "The Wall". It had a profound impact on all of us. So if you haven't
been there the 25th would be a great time to go and share the power of our
friendship. And in that spirit I'm asking that you take the attached flyer
and distribute it any way you can:

1. It makes a great a flyer..hand them out everywhere, not just at your
chapter, like the Lions club, health clubs, etc
2. it makes a great newspaper ad..send it to your local newspaper with
your contact info
3. Send it to radio and TV stations with your contact info, it makes
for great personal interest stories, especially if a group is going to come
from your home area.
4. get it to your state council and all of the chapter newsletter
editors
5. put in on your web sites or e-newsletters and send people to this
link http://vva.org/ 25thEvent/ event_info. htm
6. send this to your email tree


Keith King
VVA National Public Affairs Chair

Disclosure: The VVA and the VVAF has committed a large amount of money to
make this event something we can all be proud of and we have done so knowing
that we may lose money on this, but right is right, and we feel this is the
right thing to do. So we are encouraging everyone to book their travel
through our selected vendor which will help us recoup our financial
commitment. Thank You

Jim W Boyd
Editor In Chief VVA Press Club
Editor, Texas Vietnam Veterans News
Texas State Council Secretary
Texas State Council Membership Committee Chair