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Old 05-15-2008, 04:29 PM
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Speaking as a person without any knowledge of Politics.Why should i vote for Hillary and not Barack Obama?

If you have no knowledge I would suggest you not vote at all. McCain is a better choice than either.
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:31 PM
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Speaking as a person without any knowledge of Politics.Why should i vote for Hillary and not Barack Obama?

'm telling you all once again...Hillary has a trick or two up her sleeve...and those who vote Obama will be sorely disappointed when his traitorous secret is revealed by none other than William Jefferson Clinton. No vote is wasted, unless it isn';t used at all...so vote for Hillary if you believe in her, or just follow the lemmings and go for Obama. But if you do, prepare for disappointment.
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:33 PM
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Speaking as a person without any knowledge of Politics.Why should i vote for Hillary and not Barack Obama?

Your choices are about the same. ExceptObama attended a racist churchWhen he became senator a party was thrown for him by an anti-American unrepentant, terrorist bomber.He was endorsed by Hamas.Someone working for his campaign quit because of dealing with Hamas.His wife is for the first time proud of his county.He makes an issue out of wearing a simple, patriotic gesture (a flag pin).and he has one of the thinnest resumes of anyone to run for President to date.Your alternative is someone with very similar policies, more hard work and experience, and none of these questionable, anti-American ties.You decide.http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036As Mitt Romney put it, "The presidency is not an internship"
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:35 PM
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Speaking as a person without any knowledge of Politics.Why should i vote for Hillary and not Barack Obama?

If I were you,I'd vote for Barack Obama. He leads in fundraising,states,caucases,primaries,popular votes,delegates, and now even super delegates. He has a run a much better campaign.He worked as community organizer,civil rights lawyer,law professor,8 years as a state senator,2 years as a US senator. It is highly doubtful that Hillary will win the nomination. I don't believe that she should be vice president either because she's polarizing,divisive,and has a lot of of negatives.Her campaign is 20 million dollars in debt. That right there shows that she would have problems solving the economy issues that we have. She even had people removed from her campaign. Some left her campaign to go to Obama's campaign. She has ethnic-baited and pandered up with the gas tax and use the racism card with the working class whites.as for Barack Obama attending a racist church. It's not a racist church. Many people don't understand black churchesDr Martin Luther King Jr's spoke out against the Vietnam Warand even said"Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today: my own government. "Jeremiah Wright is no Dr. King, but he did speak out against foreign policy and the violence that US govt is all about.In that way, he was similar to Dr. King.Of course, Jeremiah Wright was no match for him."Beyond Vietnam"Address delivered to the Clergy and LaymenConcerned about Vietnam, at Riverside Church4 April 1967New York Cityhttp://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/MLKapr67.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80Bsw0UG-UHere is some interesting stuff: Commentary: Race, faith and politics (CNN) -- The revelation of controversial comments made by the longtime pastor of Sen. Barack Obama, and the equally hot aftermath from the general public that led to the junior senator from Illinois delivering a strong speech/sermon on race in America, has opened anew the explosive connection between three of the most volatile issues today. If a poll were taken, there is no doubt that race, faith and politics would be the most emotional, passionate and divisive topics. Why? Because all three are so deeply personal. What one person sees as a negative, another would determine as a strength.http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/21/roland.martin/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemailSimilarly, although King spoke famously against the Vietnam War before a largely white audience at Riverside Church in New York in 1967, exactly a year before he died, he reserved some of his strongest antiwar language for his sermons before black congregations. In his own pulpit at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, two months before his death, King raged against America's "bitter, colossal contest for supremacy." He argued that God "didn't call America to do what she's doing in the world today," preaching that "we are criminals in that war" and that we "have committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world." King insisted that God "has a way of saying, as the God of the Old Testament used to say to the Hebrews, 'Don't play with me, Israel. Don't play with me, Babylon. Be still and know that I'm God. And if you don't stop your reckless course, I'll rise up and break the backbone of your power.'"Perhaps nothing might surprise -- or shock -- white Americans more than to discover that King said in 1967: "I am sorry to have to say that the vast majority of white Americans are racist, either consciously or unconsciously." In a sermon to his congregation in 1968, King openly questioned whether blacks should celebrate the nation's 1976 bicentennial. "You know why?" King asked. "Because it [the Declaration of Independence] has never had any real meaning in terms of implementation in our lives."In the same year, King bitterly suggested that black folk couldn't trust America, comparing blacks to the Japanese who had been interred in concentration camps during World War II. "And you know what, a nation that put as many Japanese in a concentration camp as they did in the '40s ... will put black people in a concentration camp. And I'm not interested in being in any concentration camp. I been on the reservation too long now." Earlier, King had written that America "was born in genocide when it embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was an inferior race."http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/suncommentary/la-oe-dyson4apr04,1,1626213.storyJeremiah Wright is viewed as being racist and Anti-American???? Man.....Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said similar things. Does that make him racist and Anti-American????I don't think so.I want to show that many people know Dr. King for his leading the civil rights movement but Dr King was known for criticizing American's foreign policy as well as calling out USA on its racism which Rev Wright did. I also said straight up that Rev Wright is no Dr. King because he is not as great and inspirational as him. So it would seem that if people knew that similar things were known about Dr King, then people would understand what Rev Wright was saying and that he's not necessarily Anti-American nor racist. If he is, then that would make Dr. King Anti-American and racist.A lot of people get angry when people say things that they don't want to hear because the truth can hurt. Sometimes,people are afraid to say things. Therefore,they might keep things to themselves and say it in places where they feel safe like in a church.
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Speaking as a person without any knowledge of Politics.Why should i vote for Hillary and not Barack Obama?

Their polices are near the same, the difference, IMO, is that we know more of Hillary's baggage and only recently some of Obama's. Obama is a great speaker, but I wonder what really lies beneath. He talks the talk, but he has yet to explain how he will be physical able to anything he says, it's like going to my banker with 100 dollars and I owe the bank 500, just because I say, "yes I can" doesn't mean I can pay my debt with 100 dollars.After hearing Obama's wife say it was the first time she was proud to be an American and Rev. Wright’s sermons, I believe I see a pattern that scares the crap out of me. But as it stands, if a candidate other than Rep. or Dem. doesn’t run, I believe I will follow Obama’s leadership and Vote PRESENT on election day.
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Speaking as a person without any knowledge of Politics.Why should i vote for Hillary and not Barack Obama?

Barak Obama is a naive person in many ways. He had all the whole top democrats campaigned him because they think Barak Obama would be a stronger candidate. They would say anything bad about Hillary or anyone even the President Bush to get him into the White House. I would tell you why I don't Barak Obama is not qualified:Need an aggressive and very strong person to be a Commander of Chief while dealing with the countries that are state-sponsored terrioism and keep America safe at the same time.a. Barack's adviser went to see Hamas during the campaign and had back deal with the Hamas, The hamas leader said he would work with him, not any other candidates, it makes me wonders, huh, it stated in Muslim newspaper. Nancy Peposli went to see Syria, and Lebanon. Joe Biden went to see Syria and Lebanon. Barak said in the first debate, he would talk directly with them and offer them something.. I wonder what the dicators had said to or what they had not said to them? Its easy for them to denial their activities in their trip and Obama denied to admit he was okayed with his adviser to go on to see the leader of Hamas who is killing innnocent people in Lebanon right now. Need an aggressive person to kick the congressmen and women to get done and be able to across the partylines to compromise the half of both proposal.A. Barack Obama could not get to any Republicans to sit down because he is too far liberal to find himself into moderate. He has a problem in this area.Need an aggressive person to do something about the Health Care reform and keep working and keep going on on finding the ways after failed program.A. Barack Obama has made his mind up without looking at the policy which has not worked or what had worked. He said he needs to raise tax (25%) from the taxpayers on this to get to many people who don't have access the healthcare and mandate every parents to have the health care on children no matter what. Hillary has a similar policy to this except that she said only raise tax (15%) and felt it shall be offered to become a afforable, not mandate. Hillary has known what failed and what it has worked, because she was a part of it before Obama came along. John MC Cain was there to work on it to compromise some agenda of it. Need an aggressive person to work on illegal immigration reform.A. Barack Obama will automatically every immigrants(7million of Mexican and southern) once step in to the Soil of America to become legal and raise tax(7%) from tax payers to pay for their visa and citizenship papers, let them to have their bank account in both counties in Mexico and U.S at no cost. Hillary won't allow any immgrants to become legal immediatedly and don't allow them to have the bank account and driver license until they have go into U.S citizenship course first. John Mc Cain wanted it to be more humane way to put more border patrol near the fence, and legalize some who are good ones and put the border secure sometime middle of his presidency proposal. So now, Which will lead the country being a stronger and keep their brain straight, not become a follower. I believe Hillary and or Mc Cain both are more capable of lead the country and be able to acrooss the party line to work with three parties, Republican, Indepedent, and Democrats and both are aggressive not to be understimated unlike Barak Obama.I don't see any aggressive in Barak Obama, too much naive, thinking he would win the Nobel Prize to solve many problems magic in here and abroad! High Taxes and Second Amendment rights away from people's. So, now you decide!
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