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Old 07-10-2008, 08:31 PM
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Jehovah's Witnesses and Non-Jehovah's Witnesses: What is your opinion of Zechariah 2:10-11?

This is the NWT version of Zechariah 2:10-11...

10*“Cry out loudly and rejoice, O daughter of Zion; for here I am coming, and I will reside in the midst of you,” is the utterance of Jehovah. 11*“And many nations will certainly become joined to Jehovah in that day, and they will actually become my people; and I will reside in the midst of you.” And you will have to know that Jehovah of armies himself has sent me to you. 12*And Jehovah will certainly take possession of Judah as his portion upon the holy ground, and he must yet choose Jerusalem. 13*Keep silence, all flesh, before Jehovah, for he has aroused himself from his holy dwelling.

Who is coming to reside in the midst of you in verse 10? Does this verse remind you of John's last two verses in Revelation?

20*“He that bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes; I am coming quickly.’”

“Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.”

21*[May] the undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus Christ [be] with the holy ones.
And who was the One sent by Jehovah of Armies in verse 11? Do you see who uttered these words, and with whose Name did He utter these words with?
And...what is your opinion of Zechariah 2:10-11? I didn't ask for arrogance, I wanted answers...
Sorry...my question is not linguistic. By the way, I do have some knowledge of the Greek, and working my way into the Hebrew. I'm not asking for a language debate.
I'm back fully refreshed from a good night's sleep. Once again, I apologize for using that "arrogance" word to the first answerer, I wasn't prepared to argue over the language issues.

In the Trinitarian concept we all know that the Father is in charge, who sent the Son to this world the first time, and who will send the Son back to this world again the second time. If Jesus is Thomas' Lord and his God, is Jesus also your (the JW's) Lord and your God? Clearly the answer has always been no, your beliefs are not the same as Thomas' beliefs, not similar in any way whatsoever.

In Zechariah there are two Jehovahs, the One who uttered the statement and the One who will send Him. It is quite simple...Jesus is our Jehovah, the Father is Jehovah over all people, including the Son when He humbled Himself on this world as a Man. This is why Jesus prayed to the Father, He called Him "my God" and He also worshiped Him.
For those JWs or Unitarians who think an angel was speaking in verse 11, saying Jehovah has sent him...

11 “And many nations will certainly become joined to Jehovah in that day, and they will actually become my people; and I will reside in the midst of you.” And you will have to know that Jehovah of armies himself has sent me to you.

Clearly, the verse said "and you will have to know...", this is speaking for the future, not the present. If an angel was to say Jehovah "sent" him, he would not use the words "and you will have to know...". This angel will not dwell amongst his people, and we will not be an angel's people, we will be Jehovah's people.
And so, if Jesus (Jehovah who uttered in that passage, the Son) is your God, why do you not worship Him as your God, pray to Him as your God? You see, the Jehovah who uttered in that passage is NOT your God, because never do you ever worship your God, and never to you pray to Him. I would challenge you to shout the direct words..."Jesus is The Lord of me and The God of me!" And then I would challenge you to bow down, worship and pray to Him, which I know for sure you won't. So far, all you said is "absolutely", which means nothing to Jesus, His Father or to anyone else.
This proves my point that Thomas' beliefs is not the same as the JWs beliefs. Never, not once, would a JW exclaim "My Lord and my God!" or "The Lord of me and The God of me!" to Jesus. Never, not once, would a JW worship and pray to their God. Is Jesus their God? No, never!!!
So who is wasting their time here? My time is well-spent showing the fallacies of a man-made religion. It is the viewers who are here who are not sure about the JW religion, they are the ones I am after, not the stubborn ones like the ones Jesus didn't bother converting, in whose time was well-spent just like mine is. :-)
Levite...while your religion is growing, all religions are growing. Hitler didn't stop any other religions of this world either, so yours is no different.
Keiichi...angels are not my gods, and I hope you will see that Michael cannot be your god, angels cannot be your gods also. If Jesus is your God then you would not be turning to angels for a weak rebuttal defense. This shows your lack of biblical knowledge for Thomas' views vs. your (the JWs) views. Thomas would never say to Michael or the angels that they are his gods, NEVER!!! If you can find a passage where they become people's gods, then find them. They aren't there!!!
...And you still did not say "Jesus is my Lord and my God", or "Jesus is the Lord of me and the God of me!". This proves how honest you can be when you say "absolutely". If Jesus is your God, then you will still have to prove it starting with bowing and worshiping and praying to Jehovah the Son as the way you would do it to Jehovah the Father. Without that proof, your weak rebuttals have been quashed a long time ago, I'm sorry.
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