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Old 05-05-2008, 04:45 AM
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Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all?

Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all?O.K., cue the marching music. We need public schools because blah blah blah and yada yada yada. We could say blah is common culture and yada is the government’s interest in promoting the general welfare. Or that children are the future. And a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Because we can’t leave any child behind.The problem with all these bromides is that they leave out the simple fact that one of the surest ways to leave a kid “behind” is to hand him over to the government. Americans want universal education, just as they want universally safe food. But nobody believes that the government should run 90 percent of the restaurants, farms, and supermarkets. Why should it run 90 percent of the schools — particularly when it gets terrible results?Consider Washington, home of the nation’s most devoted government lovers and, ironically, the city with arguably the worst public schools in the country. Out of the 100 largest school districts, according to the Washington Post, D.C. ranks third in spending for each pupil — $12,979 — but last in spending on instruction. Fifty-six cents out of every dollar goes to administrators who, it’s no secret, do a miserable job administrating, even though D.C. schools have been in a state of “reform” for nearly 40 years.In a blistering series, the Post has documented how badly the bureaucrats have run public education. More than half of the District of Columbia’s kids spend their days in “persistently dangerous” schools, with an average of nine violent incidents a day in a system with 135 schools. “Principals reporting dangerous conditions or urgently needed repairs in their buildings wait, on average, 379 days … for the problems to be fixed,” according to the Post. But hey, at least the kids are getting a lousy education. A mere 19 schools managed to get “proficient” scores or better for a majority of students on the district’s Comprehensive Assessment Test.A standard response to such criticisms is to say we don’t spend enough on public education. But if money were the solution, wouldn’t the district, which spends nearly $13,000 on every kid, rank near the top? If you think more money will fix the schools, make your checks out to “cash” and send them to me.Private, parochial, and charter schools get better results. Parents know this. Applications for vouchers in the district dwarf the available supply, and home schooling has exploded.As for schools teaching kids about the common culture and all that, as a conservative I couldn’t agree more. But is there evidence that public schools are better at it? According to the 2006 National Assessment of Educational Progress history and civics exams, two-thirds of U.S. high school seniors couldn’t identify the significance of a photo of a theater with a sign reading “Colored Entrance.” And keep in mind, political correctness pretty much guarantees that Jim Crow and the civil-rights movement are included in syllabi. Imagine how few kids can intelligently discuss Manifest Destiny or free silver.Right now, there’s a renewed debate about providing “universal” health insurance. For some liberals, this simply means replicating the public-school model for health care. (Stop laughing.) But for others, this means mandating that everyone have health insurance — just as we mandate that all drivers have car insurance — and then throwing tax dollars at poorer folks to make sure no one falls through the cracks.There’s a consensus in America that every child should get an education, but as David Gelernter noted recently in The Weekly Standard, there’s no such consensus that public schools need to do the educating.Really, what would be so terrible about government mandating that every kid has to go to school, and providing subsidies and oversight when necessary, but then getting out of the way?Milton Friedman noted long ago that the government is bad at providing services — that’s why he wanted public schools to be called “government schools” — but that it’s good at writing checks. So why not cut checks to people so they can send their kids to school?What about the good public schools? Well, the reason good public schools are good has nothing to do with government’s special expertise and everything to do with the fact that parents care enough to ensure their kids get a good education. That wouldn’t change if the government got out of the school business. What would change is that fewer kids would get left behind.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:09 AM
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Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all?

Schools should be funded by the government, but not run by them. The government can't run anything, including the government.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:32 AM
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Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all?

Um - to educate people who think public schools are a communist plot.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:56 AM
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Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all?

You put way to much thought into something that is common sense...We need public schools to make sure all young Americans get educated
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Old 05-05-2008, 06:19 AM
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Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all?

Go outside and get some exercise.
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Old 05-05-2008, 06:42 AM
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Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all?

i dont know what to add,,
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Old 05-05-2008, 07:06 AM
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Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all?

well... for one... your system has never worked... in any nation ever... on a naitonal scaleand your only examples where it has worked are vast generalities with no actual facts? (which some are just wrong, like there are some HORRIBLE CHARTER SCHOOLS that do much worse than ANY state school)... private schools do better, but are generally more expensive than anyone can afford and are geared toward the wealthy...now I realize you probably didn't write this... as you don't write any of your rants... but whoever wrote this is basically advocating a system where only the wealthy will get an education...
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Old 05-05-2008, 07:29 AM
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Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all?

So in your opinion, sending a child to a public school is "handing them over to the government"? Hardly.
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Old 05-05-2008, 07:53 AM
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Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all?

Thank you. I applaud what you've written. People are simply afraid to face the honest to goodness truth.Our public school systems are failures and worse than that, the biggest failure of all is family unity and support. If I had a child today, I'd work three jobs to send her/him to a private school.
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Old 05-05-2008, 08:16 AM
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Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all?

You are right public schools on the whole, are a failure. They were designed by the government to be brain washing institutions, where we are taught the "approved" curriculum. I don't think they will let go of their hold on our children's minds without a fight.
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